Friday, August 22, 2008

McCain and Houses

Does anyone really give a crap about how many houses the McCain family owns? Plus, most of the houses are not even used by John anyway. Family members occupy several of them and he has a condo in DC. I say so what. Obama thinks that class warfare is the way to go to get some traction back into his campaign, but this is going to backfire badly for him. All those dumb people that Obama accuses of hanging on to guns and religion already know how he feels. Plus, a lot of these same people have sacrificed for there country and consider it a great place to be from. Unlike Obama the elitist with the Harvard degree and his globe trotting ways.

Those same people that cling to guns and religion are smart enough to know that John McCain has there best interest at heart with his long history of fighting pork barrel government spending and understands the pain and suffering of war. I can't see the average American continuing to fall for this empty suits lies much longer. Obama is a leftist with a long history of anti-American associations. Sure there will be plenty of wing nuts out there that will vote for him, but regardless of the VP choices on either side real Americans will vote a true American Hero into the White House.

On that note, I really don't care if McCain picks his long time friend Joe Lieberman to be his running mate because it just shows that he is putting this country first over party or right wing policy. That isn't to say that I am for abortion, but it also says that isn't the only thing that decides who is best for this country as a whole. The right wingers are screaming that it will split the party if there is a pro-choice person on the ticket, but I say is that is only if they want to split the party and have Obama as their president. Would it not be better to have someone that agrees on the big issues and help them see the error of their ways on the one issue or to have a confirmed leftist and anti-American in the White House.

I know that I am ranting, but this just makes me crazy. If you don't agree lets hear it.

I wanted to give a big thanks to Joel for including me in the submarine blogs on his site. I may not talk all the time about subs, but they are a huge part of my life and why I am a crazy as I am after all those mid-watches aft. If you have something to say or want to call me on one of my crazy ideas lets hear it. I will try to better explain myself if the need calls for it.

8 comments:

  1. Yes, people care about how many houses the candidates own today for the same reason they cared four years ago:

    "If the attacks against the real estate holdings of a presidential candidate and his heiress wife sound familiar — well, they are. During the 2004 election, an email circulated tagging John Kerry as an elitist by pointing out that the Democratic nominee had five different addresses, at mansions valued at some $33 million. All but one was in the name of his wife, Theresa Heinz Kerry, the Heinz food products heiress.

    McCains’ properties are in the name of Cindy McCain, her dependent children and family-controlled trusts or companies."


    Between McCain & Obama, McCain loses the elitism war, hands down. He was born to wealth & after failing his first wife he married into more wealth. His household staff budget is almost $300,000/yr - up about $100,000 from a few years ago, in a time when most Americans' financial stability has gotten increasingly strained or gone in the tank altogether. Yet, in building his campaign staff, McCain fished heavily from the same pool where Dubya's base is found. He pulled out people like Phil Gramm, who calls the electorate a "nation of whiners" and thinks the economic downturn is a "mental" condition. Even though he "fired" Gramm, McCain himself said,

    "[A] lot of our problems today, as you know, are psychological — the confidence, trust, the uncertainty about our economic future, ability to keep our own home."

    Yes, that's correct, McCain said that the problems of those whose homes are in foreclosure are psychological. He can get Gramm off the stage, but he'll have a much harder time firing his own words.

    I don't harbor any illusions that you will actually consider the substance of what I have said, as your language strongly suggests your position is based far more on feelings than on knowledge. As evidence, I point out that you have trotted out the same tired old chew-toy phrases against Obama (i.e. elitist, empty suit, anti-American) that I see time and again from rabid rightists, but you utterly fail to substantiate them.

    It's apparently a foregone conclusion in your mind that you're right, so I can understand why you'd feel there's no need to consider any other point of view, much less substantiate your own. But for those who are not inclined to confuse feelings with thinking, or faith with knowledge, it takes a hell of a lot more than you've set forth to actually build a convincing case.

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  2. Rabid is the word and you are right, so I guess that makes you the rabid right.

    Since this is not a court of law and I am not required to build a case as you say, so I won't.

    It amazes me that someone in the know as you are would fail to see the anti-Americanism that Obama surrounded himself with for the last 20+ years, but I guess sitting and soaking in anti-American ideas has nothing to do with his views. Sorry, it only takes a few minutes listening to Rev. Wright to see how he feels about America. Your point is taken, but you miss the boat completely. I won't even discuss Obama's other dubious associations because I am sure you would also sweep away professed anti-American terrorists who actually exploded bombs on American soil.

    Shall we now discuss Sen. Obama's long and distinguished career in the Ill. or U.S. senate? If your candidate had some time on the pond than maybe you could say that he is more than an empty suit, but you can not point to one piece of legislation that he drove through either house that was his or did anything significant. So, back the shit truck up and play nice.

    As for elitist, you have to be an elitist to be in the US Senate, plain and simple. But, if you have never served your country and hang around with those who hate America than you are an anti-American elitist. I personally don't give a rat's ass about whether John Kerry or John McCain's wife has more houses. The reason the John Kerry got the elistist tag was for his leftist views and anti-American protesting. So, Obama and Kerry have that in common.

    What kills me is that career politicians Democrat or Republican and their supporters dare speak about being in touch with the electorate, since they haven't held a real job in 20 years. Perspicio if you really want to change the world try voting for someone new and not supporting a corrupt system that is supported by special interests.

    If you want to discuss that or anything else I'm here for you and I am not hiding. Glad to see that you are willing to spout, but the question is are you willing to discuss like an adult. From what I have seen of you in the past, I have my doubts.

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  3. "Rabid is the word and you are right, so I guess that makes you the rabid right.

    Since this is not a court of law and I am not required to build a case as you say, so I won't."


    It's exactly as I said: I don't harbor any illusions that you will actually consider the substance of what I have said, as your language strongly suggests your position is based far more on feelings than on knowledge.

    You shoot from the hip with a cutesy comment, and immediately thereafter refuse to back up your point of view with facts. You suggest that "it only takes a few minutes listening to Rev. Wright to see how he feels about America," and yet you completely fail to acknowledge how he actually feels. He talks a great deal about reconciliation, not retaliation. Furthermore, if you are able to listen without prejudice to what he says, it is crystal clear that the man does not "hate America", as you accuse. His "God damn America" is quite obviously directed at the poor and often corrupt leadership of the government, not the land, or the people, or the nation itself. But with all too typical narrow-minded focus, you home in on the words of a single phrase, and wantonly disregard the spirit of the message he conveys.

    A little context:

    "Where Governments lie, God does not lie. Where Governments change, God does not change. And I’m through now. But let me leave you with one more thing.

    Governments fail. The government in this text comprised of Caesar, Cornelius, Pontus Pilot – Pontius Pilate – the Roman government failed. The British government used to rule from east to west. The British government had a Union Jack. She colonised Kenya, Guana, Nigeria, Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Hong Kong. Her navies ruled the seven seas all the way down to the tip of Argentina in the Falklands, but the British failed. The Russian government failed. The Japanese government failed. The German government failed. And the United States of America government, when it came to treating her citizens of Indian decent fairly, she failed. She put them on reservations. When it came to treating her citizens of Japanese decent fairly, she failed. She put them in internment prison camps. When it came to treating her citizens of African decent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains. The government put them in slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton fields, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into position of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing “God Bless America.” No, no, no. Not “God Bless America”; God Damn America! That’s in the Bible, for killing innocent people. God Damn America for treating her citizen as less than human. God Damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!

    The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African decent. Think about this, think about this. For every 1 Oprah, a billionaire, you got five million Blacks who are out of work. For every 1 Colin Powell, a millionaire, you got ten million Blacks who cannot read. For every 1 “Condeskeeza” Rice, you got one million in prison. For every 1 Tiger Woods, who needs to get beat at the Masters with his cat-blazing hips, playing on a course that discriminates against women; God has this way of bringing you short when you get too big for your cat-blazing britches. For every 1 Tiger Woods, we got ten thousand Black kids who will never see a golf course. The United States government has failed the vast majority of her citizens of African decent. But I’m fitting to help you one last time – turn to your neighbour and say “he’s fitting to help us one last time.” Turn back and say “Forgive him for the ‘God Damn’, that’s in the Bible Lord.” Blessings and cursing is in the Bible, it’s in the Bible. But I’m fitting to help you one last time. Let me tell you something.

    Where governments fail, God never fails.

    When God says it, it’s done. God never fails. When God wills it, you better get out the way. ‘Cause God never fails. When God fixes it, oh believe me, it’s fixed. God never fails. Somebody right now, you think you can’t make it, but I want you to know you are more than a conqueror, through Christ you can do all things, through Christ who strengthens you. To the world, it looked like God has failed in God’s plan of salvation when the saviour that was sent by God was put to death on a Friday afternoon. It looked like God failed. But hallelujah, on Sunday morning the angels in Heaven were singing, “God never fails.” You can’t put down what God raises up. God never fails. You can’t keep down what God wants up. God never fails. If God can get a three-day Jesus up out of a grave, what’s going on in your life that in anyway can’t match what God has already done? He’ll abides with you, he’ll reside in you, and he’ll preside over your problems if you take them to Him and leave them with Him. Don’t take them back – turn to your neighbour and say “stop taking your problems back.” Should we always bring our problems to the altar and then do we just them right on back to our seats? Turn and say “Stop taking them back!” God never fails. Turn and tell them “God never fails!” God never fails!

    God never fails."


    Even though you are in no way obligated to back up your point of view in any meaningful way whatsoever, perhaps you will deign to tell me, which part of his core message do you disagree with? If you're going to pick out the phrase, "God damn America", you have to accept the context in which he says it, not just cherry-pick and distort his meaning because it suits your political views. That's dishonest, and hypocritical.

    So help me, if the so-called "conservative Christian" base of the Republican party, which roundly rebukes Wright for his sermon, somehow, against all odds and every bit of rational thought available to the human mind, turned out to be right about the fairy tale they believe in, they would all rot in hell for their hypocrisy, because Jeremiah Wright justifies and substantiates his views from the very book these people claim to believe in, and yet they condemn him for it. If you believe the book, then you must accept that the thing Jesus condemned above all others is hypocrisy.

    I don't believe in the fairy tale the way the hopelessly pedantic, self-serving literalists who never bothered to study the historical basis of the bible do, but I do believe in the ethics of social conscience ascribed to Jesus - and in unjustly judging Wright, you have utterly failed to live up to them.

    Moving on, you stated that "you have to be an elitist to be in the US Senate, plain and simple." But almost immediately after, you said that "the reason the John Kerry got the elistist tag was for his leftist views and anti-American protesting." You are inconsistent from one sentence to the next. Your point of view is clearly incoherent on that basis alone, which supports my view that you base your words on feelings rather than thinking.

    Finally, you stated that "if you really want to change the world try voting for someone new and not supporting a corrupt system that is supported by special interests."

    And in your mind, which candidate best represents that description? McCain? He appeared to be somewhat honorable as a senator in 2000, but he has utterly caved in to the special interests of the Republican Party in this election cycle, and so I cannot trust him at all, whatsoever. One of the best examples of that is that he was bold enough to call religious icons such as Falwell and Robertson "agents of intolerance" in 2000, but ran into their waiting arms when he decided he needed them this time around. And he has committed scores of other blatant reversals of policy between 2000 and 2008.

    The man has made himself an instrument of the Republican party. He is not "new". He is exactly the type of creature you speak against.

    I'm pretty sure your feelings will prevent you from accepting the substance of what I have said. From what I've seen so far, you are like most people in that you appear to place much greater value on being certain than on accepting valid criticism and improving your understanding. So I expect that if you respond at all, it will be with more cutesy comments and baseless accusations. But if you have a shred of integrity that is strong enough to operate even when your ego is threatened, I hope you will try to understand the rational basis for my point of view, instead of merely twisting it into something you can easily condemn. I would be more than happy to do you the same courtesy, if you would just provide a rational basis for your own views instead of dismissing the importance of doing so in a blatantly juvenile fashion.

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  4. A minor clarification: you didn't say Wright "hates America" - but you did say that he is "anti-American", which I believe is an equivalent statement.

    And it appears I didn't address your "empty suit" notion. You stated:

    "Shall we now discuss Sen. Obama's long and distinguished career in the Ill. or U.S. senate? If your candidate had some time on the pond than maybe you could say that he is more than an empty suit, but you can not point to one piece of legislation that he drove through either house that was his or did anything significant. So, back the shit truck up and play nice."

    I have one simple response:

    Abraham Lincoln.

    If you'd kindly hand me the keys to the shit truck and get the hell out of the driver's seat, I'd be happy to back it up.

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  5. Wow, a lot of love going on here. So, Obama is now Abraham Lincoln, that is a mighty big step.

    I am sorry if your candidate hanging out with people that express very negative opinions about America touches a nerve. I am sorry that I find it offensive that Rev. Wright would say "God damn America" under any circumstances. Or that your buddy likes hanging out with a professed terrorist. Saying things like "God damn America" is anti-American and blowing stuff up in America because you don't like certain policies is anti-American. I have no problem with people such as yourself stating facts as to why you don't like things and using intelligent arguments, but I do take offense to bombs and clearly anti-American rhetoric being blasted from the pulpit. As for the content of the sermon, I have two questions. First, where is the call to arms for the community to pick itself up and better its own position vice relying on the "failed" government. Second, where is the anti-abortion portion since the statistical majority are performed on minorities? Or was this not the citizens that are being killed. Or is he talking about the millions that have chosen to do drugs and have wasted their lives? Oh, I forgot that the government is responsible for that as well. Please don't trot out lame and tired excuse that he is trying to unite to explain away the truth that Rev. Wright is anti-American.

    Moving On, you ask why I would support McCain if I don't like the system. Here is your answer, he is better than the alternative and if you had bother to read some to my other posts you would see that I am for term limits and removing the elistist for government. I hate that being elected to Congress is the last job most of them ever want, except for maybe the Oval Office. But since I am left with no other choice I am stuck with McCain. I absolutely hate special interest groups and lobbyist. I would love to see term limits for every office in the government including the courts.

    So tell me why you are so willing to hand this country over to someone that is of no account and has done little other than try to get himself elected to the Oval Office? I am voting for McCain and Palin because I hope against all hope that maybe some reform will come from it. I can't say the same with your leftist buddy.

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  6. "So, Obama is now Abraham Lincoln, that is a mighty big step."

    No, you dolt. His quantity of relevant experience (government & military) is similar to Lincoln's upon assuming office.

    "I find it offensive that Rev. Wright would say "God damn America" under any circumstances."

    "Saying things like "God damn America" is anti-American...."


    Damn, you are really a slack-jawed sucker for rightist hate-mongering, aren't you? You're like a battered wife that keeps going back to her husband.

    You are completely ignoring WHY Wright said what he said, obsessing only on that one solitary phrase and assigning meaning to it according to your personal agenda.

    Perhaps you can explain exactly what IDEA (not just "magic words") you find offensive in this statement:

    "God Damn America as long as she keeps trying to act like she is God and she is supreme!"

    If America plays God, isn't damning America exactly what God would do, according to the bible?

    Quit playing stupid. Hell, maybe you're not playing. I don't know. But I do know you're not behaving like a smart or honest person. I wish you had learned good sense when you were young, even if your daddy had had to smack it into you. The way you act, it appears he may have done the opposite.

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  7. perspicio,
    I see that you have run out of real talking points and have resorted to personal attacks. If anyone's parent needed to dish out a smack down, it was yours. But, I don't blame parents for an adult being an ass because you choose to be that way.

    Obama will be a diaster with his policies and spending plan. Why don't you come back in four years and rub my face in his great accomplishments.

    As for being a battered wife, you are probably correct, I used to think that the two party system would work, but was sadly mistaken. Both parties are full of corrupt hand out career politicians. If you bothered to read anything else you would see that neither Obama or McCain is going to make a real difference. Obama is just more likely to speed up the train before the crash. McCain will just let it ride to the crash.

    Obama is no friend to America and McCain has Washington's stink all over him. You can have them both. Enjoy your self righteousness and have a wonderful life, but becareful what you wish for because you might just get it.

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  8. "Both parties are full of corrupt hand out career politicians."

    At least there's one thing we can agree on.

    As far as "personal attacks", I believe in calling people on their public displays of ignorance. And when those people initiate the personal attacks, I think it's mighty hypocritical, not to mention feeble-minded, to bitch and moan when they receive a little of the same. Granted, the personal attacks you began with were not directed at me, but they were personal attacks nevertheless. And while I didn't take them personally, I don't see anything wrong with addressing you by using your own mode of communication.

    I admit that insults are not the most desirable way to conduct a conversation, but I honestly don't know how else to talk to the likes of you. Reason alone simply doesn't work. Because your convictions are set like concrete, you're impervious to it.

    It sucks that the world is filled with this particular brand of stubborn ignorance. It's entirely possible that I'm the same way, on some level that I, myself am unaware of - which is why I make a conscious effort to evaluate people's criticisms of me. But I can't force anyone else to do that. So I just do what I can, and that begins with engaging people on their own terms. If you're criticizing my methods, you're criticizing your own. If you think I seem stupid or stubborn or ignorant, then you know how you appear to others. You may not want to make the connection, but that's the way it is.

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